July 11, 2012 by Allison 18 Comments
July 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I really hope nobody around gets raped, it is a life shattering experience for the victim and even (to a lesser extent) the victim’s family and friends. Your audience has a right not to be scared that they are going to be raped en masse by the male members of the audience while Tosh stands there grinning. What the fuck is wrong with you if you genuinely think that would be funny?
And heckling is an “especially egregious act engaged in only by victim-players or drunken assholes with zero sense of humor and daddy issues with a desperate need for attention”? You must be the worst comedian ever if you don’t recognize that heckling is an integral part of stand-up. Check youtube for funny ways to deal with hecklers (I suggest Jimmy Carr).
Freedom of speech is nice and all, but wouldn’t you agree there is such a thing as style or grace? Would make jokes about necrophilia at a funeral? Jokes about bombs at an airport? Try it out sometime.
July 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm
First, I’ve never been heckled. Second, I do joke about fucking dead people. I have a song called A Tisket, a Tasket, Coitus in a Casket. Anything can be funny. Lighten up or seek help.
July 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
“it’s the fact that they have a heckler to punish that becomes the reality”
Holy shit, suddenly you’re responsible for doling out punishment because someone says something you don’t like? Maybe it’s the comedians that need to “lighten up or seek help”.
July 13, 2012 at 1:26 am
The people with microphones are supposed to talk. The people without microphones are not. Comics are tough on hecklers because the heckler is always wrong.
July 13, 2012 at 6:48 am
Did you just not read the “at a funeral” part?
Try your little song at a funeral. I’m sure people will be in stitches. Or you’ll be on your way to the ER to get some, perhaps.
July 13, 2012 at 9:05 am
Oh, I read it, I just thought it was idiotic. Why the fuck would I perform comedy at a funeral or an airport? Comedy belongs EXACTLY where Tosh was performing it: The LAUGH FACTORY. I am not saying his act would be appropriate in a PTSD clinic, you moron. That is why I don’t tell rape joke when I’m speaking on a panel for the documentary I was in about sexual assault. Am I really explaining this to someone right now?
By the way, I thought I’d also mention that while holding up God Hates Fags” signs near fallen marines’ funerals is abhorrent and inappropriate, it was found to be protected speech under the constitution. Nearly all protected speech is something someone doesn’t want to hear, so while I would never play my “Fat Girls Give Good Head Because They’re Hungry” song at a Weight Watcher’s convention, it’s ABSOLUTLEY my right to so. ‘Merica.
That fact not withstanding, of course this girl has the RIGHT to open her cunty mouth as an audience member at a comedy show, but much like holding a fag sign at a funeral, it’s inappropriate. I don’t deny her that which is protected under the first amendment, but she was out of line and Tosh was not. It’s inappropriate for audience members to yell during a show. It’s completely appropriate for Tosh to tell jokes on stage in a club.
Joking about bombs at the airport, however, is actually against the law.
July 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I’ve heard more people who are on the other side of this argument. I’m glad that I’m not alone in feeling how I feel about this, especially being a female and a victim. Of course, knowing you, I shouldn’t be surprised that we’re on the same page. xox
alison grill says
July 13, 2012 at 6:34 am
lol it was especially hilarious when he pointed to her and was like “lol i hope she gets raped right now by five guys” LOL!!!! violent rape threats are the pinacle of hilarity, lololololololol
July 13, 2012 at 9:10 am
It’s admittedly not the funniest joke I’ve heard, but I laughed. Did I mention I’ve been raped? Perhaps I understand the difference between rape and jokes. Or maybe I just really hate hecklers. Would it have been less offensive to say “I hope you die in a fire”? Because I hope she dies in a fire.
Do I need to explain that was sarcasm?
July 13, 2012 at 11:32 am
You do actually, because you sounded like you wanted her to die in a fire. Thanks for the response by the way, but I feel like you are arguing a point I wasn’t making. Nobody is calling for Daniel Tosh to be imprisoned for a failed joke, and he WAS at the right place and time to make jokes about whatever he wants. Thing is; if you fail to be funny, you will be called out. Jokes about rape are possible, but it would take more skill than Tosh evidently has. Personally I would also like it if he made it clear he in no way condones the act of rape. He did exactly the reverse: he incited it. Maybe to some that would be obvious sarcasm, but Tosh fans have been known to touch the bellies of girls they don’t know just because he told them to. To use your example and drag it to a more similar level: “Would it have been less offensive to say ‘I hope you die in a fire’?”, not if the person you are “punishing” for heckling is a burn victim and half of the members of your audience are carrying torches. The torches in this example are meant to be dicks.
You still get to make all the jokes you want if it were up to me (which it isn’t, so breathe easy), but please don’t wish death on a girl just for speaking out at a show. Also, if you get the chance, teach people about the prevalence of rape, rape-culture, and victim-blaming for bonus points.
July 13, 2012 at 11:37 am
The heckling point is way less important and I guess I learned that it isn’t an accepted practice everywhere. Live and learn. I have attended shows where the audience was straight up prepped to call out if they felt like it.
July 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Also, pinnacle has two N’s.
July 14, 2012 at 1:23 am
Allison – Thanks for speaking up in defense of others and in the name of justice in all the manners you see fit! It’s admirable and courageous. We are so happy you are part of this project and such a willing, brave and articulate spokesperson for the issue and cause. I’m really glad to know you’ve found the experience therapeutic — that’s means a lot to us… it’s been very gratifying to know that the film has been having a positive impact as well on others thanks to all our collective efforts.
Girl you funny says
July 17, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I agree with you completely. Let the comic tell his jokes, it’s not about poor little girls who whine and complain about every little thing that annoys them.
Scottsdale Bubbe says
October 4, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Alison — I wonder if you are trying to say that comedy is not an audience participation sport that includes speech on the part of the audience — the audience only gets to laugh, clap stay silent, groan, or walk out.
Perhaps there ought to be a sign posted in every comedy club and every comedy concert saying so because not everyone has been adequately initiated into the Ms Manners school of comedy audience-ing .
October 4, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Most clubs do have a sign posted that says just that. In fact, the club where the whole thing went down, the Laugh Factory, has a sign to that effect. Most clubs even have a video or a host that explains to the audience what their job is, which is to laugh at what they find funny, and to not speak to the comedian on stage unless the directly address you. This is common club etiquette, and there are tons of videos on YouTube explaining the rules. If you’ve been to a comedy show at a quality club, you would know what is expected before the show starts. Having performed at the club in question, I know that they take these steps.
April 18, 2013 at 10:21 am
Seriously, have we all become so pussified that we are getting offended at a comedy club? 99.9% of the shit that gets said within the walls of a comedy club is offensive to someone, however, comedy shows continue to sell out night after night with people looking for a laugh. Most comics would get their asses beat if they said half the racist, sexist, homophobic things that they do while on stage, at the corner of a busy intersection during rush hour. But within the walls of a comedy club, anything goes, and what may be an extremely serious subject on the outside of said club, it becomes immediate fodder for laughs inside that club. If you’re seriously going to get offended going to a comedy show, then just stay home and watch the latest episode of Glee.
September 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
First I will say..I am a fat chick, a rape victim, AND I have PTSD. WTF??? No joke ever caused a rape. And since when is a comedian responsible for the hurt emotions of one audience member? And if missy sensitive pants didn’t want to engage in a potentially “traumatic” conversation, why didn’t she keep her trap shut, or just leave? I know when I feel threatened by something someone says, the FIRST thing I do is antagonize them, it always helps, and of course, follow that up with some crying and finger pointing about how unfairly I was treated. BTW I have a request, Allison pleeease play the coitus in a casket song at my funeral, it would be fucking hilarious!!! My friends would laugh, and if they didn’t fuck em, I would be dead so what would I care?? And just to be really clear..I am hungry and I do give good head.
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